Hardware suggestions, eventually use of spare parts

    • Hardware suggestions, eventually use of spare parts

      Hello everyone,

      I am new to OMV and I want to switch to an DIYnas, coming from a QNAP nas.
      The case and the hardware should house 8+ harddrives for network shares with 8+ computers and 12+ members and should be powerful enough for 1080p+ video transcoding to one tv.

      Not quite sure if I should buy new stuff or reuse old spare parts. Here is a quick listing of... capable spare parts of mine:
      AMD Ryzen 3 1200 but no mainboard for it right now
      Intel Core i5 3330 with Asrock Z77 Extreme4
      Intel Core i5 3570k with Asrock Z77 Extreme4
      32GB DDR4 RAM and loads of DDR3 RAM, 1333+ MHz
      No HBA or Raid card and no network card
      450-650w 80+ gold power supplies
      no case (yet)

      Does anyone see a good combination, maybe with the ryzen 3? Or should I buy brandnew?

      Is the chipset integrated sata controller "enough" for a software raid or better buy a hba controller (and which one)?
      Is it possible to span software raid between onboard controller and pcie hba?


      That is a lot of... questions. I know that these questions have already been answered somewhere sometime but I can't find the answers so I have to ask again... sorry for the inconvenience. I hope that you guys can help me out.


      Kind regards

      Palulukas
    • Those are spare parts? :D

      Any and all of those will do. No need for that much RAM, I'm running half and it's a waste, but it was "spare parts" as well...

      No need for a RAID card. I started with RAID, but it has little to no performance benefit. Look into SnapRAID and see if it'll do the job for you instead. It's less complex if a drive fails.

      The Ryzen might not be that well supported under Debian, that's my only concern going with it. The Intel hardware works well, as it's properly supported, since it's not "cutting edge". Also, the Ryzen wouldn't work with your RAM. I'd go with the 3330, it has more than enough horse power. I've underclocked my CPU so it uses less power and produce less heat.

      Only downsides with that motherboard is 1. Full ATX, so you need a big case and 2. 4x SATA 6Gbps (two via ASMedia controller) and 4x SATA 3Gbps ports, which could slow things down a little bit. Otherwise the onboard SATA is more than good enough.

      The software RAID or SnapRAID or even the OS, doesn't care which controller your drives are connected to, as long as the OS can see the drives, i.e. there are drivers for the controller. So yes, you can mix and match whichever way you want there.

      Not that many cases with space for as many drives as you want, but this is one option, with space to spare silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=324&area=en
      Just make sure you get plenty of high airflow fans for it.

      Power supply, no need to go crazy, since you won't be using a graphics card in your NAS, so 500W-ish should be more than plenty.

      Hopefully this helps to get you started.
      OMV 4.x, Gigabyte Z270N-WiFi, i7-6700K@3GHz, 16GB DDR4-3000, 4x 4TB Toshiba N300, 1x 60GB Corsair GT SSD (OS drive), 10Gbps Aquantia Ethernet
    • Hello TheLostSwede, donh,

      thank you very much for your answer and your explanations.
      I already use Proxmox on an HP ProLiant Microserver G8 for network administration, dns proxy, personal cloud and other servers.
      Also thought about recplacing the qnap and the hp microserver with one machine running Proxmox again and then virtualising the nas but i don't know if that would work out well.
      Do you, donh, have experience in virtualising omv with proxmox and configuring the storage in it?

      I also would like to use ecc ram. I don't know if the Core i5's can use it but ryzen 3 can, so... it's not out of the arena. ;)

      Kind regards

      Palulukas

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Palulukas ().

    • I run OMV in proxmox and it works very well. I manage the disks with zfs under proxmox. Then assign to OMV as needed. Seems to avoid issues with zfs under OMV. Snap shots are very handy too, if an update causes problem just roll it back.

      ECC is a good thing but seems not as required for zfs as it once was, or so they say. I use ecc anyway.

      Don't know your server but you may be able to add an hba and disk array to get more disks. They are getting cheaper as they come to the end of lease and more are available. Avoid the oldest and cheapest. They are 3GB/s and may limit disk size to 2GB. All tho over the network that's not the limit. I am thinking of upgrading my old dell md1000 when I get some cash burning a hole in my pocket. They can do larger drives with a newer hba. For zfs make sure it is an hba not a raid controller.
      If you make it idiot proof, somebody will build a better idiot.
    • Palulukas wrote:

      I also would like to use ecc ram. I don't know if the Core i5's can use it but ryzen 3 can, so... it's not out of the arena. ;)
      Well, that's more of a maybe. The Ryzen CPU might support it, as well as the built in memory controller, but the motherboard most likely don't. I don't know of any consumer grade motherboards for Ryzen that has ECC support. Just a word of warning before splashing out cash on something that might not work.
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      The post was edited 1 time, last by TheLostSwede ().

    • Palulukas wrote:

      I also would like to use ecc ram. I don't know if the Core i5's can use it but ryzen 3 can, so... it's not out of the arena.
      Those two i5 you list in the original post don't support ECC. As you note, the Ryzen does.

      There are consumer AM4 motherboards that support ECC. Asrock, for example, makes quite a few.

      I recommend you check specifications closely though. In some cases, ECC is only supported on specific CPUs or families, like Ryzen PRO CPUs. I've also seen cases in the past (not specifically with Ryzen) where ECC is on the memory QVL, but with a notation that it doesn't function in ECC mode (in other words, you can use ECC in the system, but won't function in ECC mode).
      Working with computers since the days when unboxing and set-up required 3 weeks with a soldering iron!
    • Markess wrote:

      Palulukas wrote:

      I also would like to use ecc ram. I don't know if the Core i5's can use it but ryzen 3 can, so... it's not out of the arena.
      Those two i5 you list in the original post don't support ECC. As you note, the Ryzen does.
      There are consumer AM4 motherboards that support ECC. Asrock, for example, makes quite a few.

      I recommend you check specifications closely though. In some cases, ECC is only supported on specific CPUs or families, like Ryzen PRO CPUs. I've also seen cases in the past (not specifically with Ryzen) where ECC is on the memory QVL, but with a notation that it doesn't function in ECC mode (in other words, you can use ECC in the system, but won't function in ECC mode).
      As per ASRock's website "For Ryzen Series CPUs (Raven Ridge), ECC is only supported with PRO CPUs." So that Ryzen 3 1200 doesn't support ECC on their boards, or anyone else as far as I'm aware, hence my post above.
      OMV 4.x, Gigabyte Z270N-WiFi, i7-6700K@3GHz, 16GB DDR4-3000, 4x 4TB Toshiba N300, 1x 60GB Corsair GT SSD (OS drive), 10Gbps Aquantia Ethernet
    • TheLostSwede wrote:

      Markess wrote:

      Palulukas wrote:

      I also would like to use ecc ram. I don't know if the Core i5's can use it but ryzen 3 can, so... it's not out of the arena.
      Those two i5 you list in the original post don't support ECC. As you note, the Ryzen does.There are consumer AM4 motherboards that support ECC. Asrock, for example, makes quite a few.

      I recommend you check specifications closely though. In some cases, ECC is only supported on specific CPUs or families, like Ryzen PRO CPUs. I've also seen cases in the past (not specifically with Ryzen) where ECC is on the memory QVL, but with a notation that it doesn't function in ECC mode (in other words, you can use ECC in the system, but won't function in ECC mode).
      As per ASRock's website "For Ryzen Series CPUs (Raven Ridge), ECC is only supported with PRO CPUs." So that Ryzen 3 1200 doesn't support ECC on their boards, or anyone else as far as I'm aware, hence my post above.
      Raven Ridge are Ryzen APUs, not all Ryzen CPUs (through, I admit this notation is very confusing... shame on you AsRock).

      The post was edited 1 time, last by dziekon ().

    • TheLostSwede wrote:

      As per ASRock's website "For Ryzen Series CPUs (Raven Ridge), ECC is only supported with PRO CPUs." So that Ryzen 3 1200 doesn't support ECC on their boards, or anyone else as far as I'm aware, hence my post above.

      dziekon wrote:

      Raven Ridge are Ryzen APUs, not all Ryzen CPUs (through, I admit this notation is very confusing... shame on you AsRock).


      I am schooled yet again! Thanks for clarifying for everyone.
      Working with computers since the days when unboxing and set-up required 3 weeks with a soldering iron!
    • Hello everyone and thank your very much for your answers.

      I looked up some boards from asrock and asus. From what I can tell only the itx boads from asrock and the prime x370 pro from asus do support ecc correctly.
      itx is not what i look for but the prime x370 pro looks promising.
      Does anyone have another advice for an compatible motherboard?

      In case, I choose the AMD path: I need a graphics card for the initial install and after that I can pull it out again, right? Do modern (consumer grade) motherboards support operation without a graphics card?


      Kind regards

      Palulukas
    • Palulukas wrote:

      Hello everyone and thank your very much for your answers.

      I looked up some boards from asrock and asus. From what I can tell only the itx boads from asrock and the prime x370 pro from asus do support ecc correctly.
      itx is not what i look for but the prime x370 pro looks promising.
      Does anyone have another advice for an compatible motherboard?

      In case, I choose the AMD path: I need a graphics card for the initial install and after that I can pull it out again, right? Do modern (consumer grade) motherboards support operation without a graphics card?


      Kind regards

      Palulukas
      You should look harder then I guess. For example, asrock's X370 taichi (which is an ATX board) supports ecc on both summit ridge and pinnacle ridge according to their official specification. I'm pretty sure I heard some info about Wendel from L1tech running 1st gen ryzen with ecc memory on gigabyte boards as well.


      As for the GPU, I think this is usually the case nowadays. I'm running X370 itx board from ASRock, besides the beep on startup (which indicates a problem with GPU, but does not stop the POST) it works fine without a card. Obviously, your mileage may vary, so you should do your own research over the Internet once you pick your board.
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