OMV Volumes verkleinern/vergrößern

Beamformer · 13. März 2021

SMART info HDD4

Code

smartctl 6.6 2017-11-05 r4594 [x86_64-linux-4.19.0-14-amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-17, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     WDC WD140EFFX-68VBXN0
Serial Number:    9MG8MP5J
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 290c3ecdb
Firmware Version: 81.00A81
User Capacity:    14,000,519,643,136 bytes [14.0 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    5400 rpm
Form Factor:      3.5 inches
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.2, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Sat Mar 13 23:38:26 2021 CET
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
AAM feature is:   Unavailable
APM level is:     1 (minimum power consumption with standby)
Rd look-ahead is: Enabled
Write cache is:   Enabled
DSN feature is:   Unavailable
ATA Security is:  Disabled, NOT FROZEN [SEC1]
Wt Cache Reorder: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x80)    Offline data collection activity
                    was never started.
                    Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)    The previous self-test routine completed
                    without error or no self-test has ever
                    been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:         (  101) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:              (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                    Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                    Suspend Offline collection upon new
                    command.
                    Offline surface scan supported.
                    Self-test supported.
                    No Conveyance Self-test supported.
                    Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)    Saves SMART data before entering
                    power-saving mode.
                    Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)    Error logging supported.
                    General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:      (1591) minutes.
SCT capabilities:            (0x003d)    SCT Status supported.
                    SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                    SCT Feature Control supported.
                    SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAGS    VALUE WORST THRESH FAIL RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     PO-R--   100   100   001    -    0
  2 Throughput_Performance  --S---   135   135   054    -    112
  3 Spin_Up_Time            POS---   081   081   001    -    387 (Average 384)
  4 Start_Stop_Count        -O--C-   100   100   000    -    64
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   PO--CK   100   100   001    -    0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         -O-R--   100   100   001    -    0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   --S---   133   133   020    -    18
  9 Power_On_Hours          -O--C-   100   100   000    -    221
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        -O--C-   100   100   001    -    0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       -O--CK   100   100   000    -    51
 22 Unknown_Attribute       PO---K   100   100   025    -    100
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count -O--CK   100   100   000    -    66
193 Load_Cycle_Count        -O--C-   100   100   000    -    66
194 Temperature_Celsius     -O----   044   044   000    -    37 (Min/Max 17/42)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count -O--CK   100   100   000    -    0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  -O---K   100   100   000    -    0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   ---R--   100   100   000    -    0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    -O-R--   100   100   000    -    0
                            ||||||_ K auto-keep
                            |||||__ C event count
                            ||||___ R error rate
                            |||____ S speed/performance
                            ||_____ O updated online
                            |______ P prefailure warning

General Purpose Log Directory Version 1
SMART           Log Directory Version 1 [multi-sector log support]
Address    Access  R/W   Size  Description
0x00       GPL,SL  R/O      1  Log Directory
0x01           SL  R/O      1  Summary SMART error log
0x02           SL  R/O      1  Comprehensive SMART error log
0x03       GPL     R/O      1  Ext. Comprehensive SMART error log
0x04       GPL     R/O    256  Device Statistics log
0x04       SL      R/O    255  Device Statistics log
0x06           SL  R/O      1  SMART self-test log
0x07       GPL     R/O      1  Extended self-test log
0x08       GPL     R/O      2  Power Conditions log
0x09           SL  R/W      1  Selective self-test log
0x0c       GPL     R/O   5501  Pending Defects log
0x10       GPL     R/O      1  NCQ Command Error log
0x11       GPL     R/O      1  SATA Phy Event Counters log
0x12       GPL     R/O      1  SATA NCQ Non-Data log
0x13       GPL     R/O      1  SATA NCQ Send and Receive log
0x15       GPL     R/W      1  Rebuild Assist log
0x21       GPL     R/O      1  Write stream error log
0x22       GPL     R/O      1  Read stream error log
0x24       GPL     R/O    256  Current Device Internal Status Data log
0x25       GPL     R/O    256  Saved Device Internal Status Data log
0x2f       GPL     -        1  Set Sector Configuration
0x30       GPL,SL  R/O      9  IDENTIFY DEVICE data log
0x80-0x9f  GPL,SL  R/W     16  Host vendor specific log
0xe0       GPL,SL  R/W      1  SCT Command/Status
0xe1       GPL,SL  R/W      1  SCT Data Transfer

SMART Extended Comprehensive Error Log Version: 1 (1 sectors)
No Errors Logged

SMART Extended Self-test Log Version: 1 (1 sectors)
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

SCT Status Version:                  3
SCT Version (vendor specific):       256 (0x0100)
SCT Support Level:                   0
Device State:                        Active (0)
Current Temperature:                    37 Celsius
Power Cycle Min/Max Temperature:     20/37 Celsius
Lifetime    Min/Max Temperature:     17/42 Celsius
Under/Over Temperature Limit Count:   0/0
SMART Status:                        0xc24f (PASSED)
Minimum supported ERC Time Limit:    70 (7.0 seconds)

SCT Temperature History Version:     2
Temperature Sampling Period:         1 minute
Temperature Logging Interval:        1 minute
Min/Max recommended Temperature:      0/65 Celsius
Min/Max Temperature Limit:           -40/70 Celsius
Temperature History Size (Index):    128 (22)

Index    Estimated Time   Temperature Celsius
  23    2021-03-13 21:31    30  ***********
  24    2021-03-13 21:32    30  ***********
  25    2021-03-13 21:33    31  ************
  26    2021-03-13 21:34    31  ************
  27    2021-03-13 21:35    31  ************
  28    2021-03-13 21:36    32  *************
 ...    ..(  2 skipped).    ..  *************
  31    2021-03-13 21:39    32  *************
  32    2021-03-13 21:40    33  **************
 ...    ..(  3 skipped).    ..  **************
  36    2021-03-13 21:44    33  **************
  37    2021-03-13 21:45    34  ***************
 ...    ..(  5 skipped).    ..  ***************
  43    2021-03-13 21:51    34  ***************
  44    2021-03-13 21:52    35  ****************
 ...    ..(  6 skipped).    ..  ****************
  51    2021-03-13 21:59    35  ****************
  52    2021-03-13 22:00    36  *****************
 ...    ..( 24 skipped).    ..  *****************
  77    2021-03-13 22:25    36  *****************
  78    2021-03-13 22:26    37  ******************
 ...    ..( 70 skipped).    ..  ******************
  21    2021-03-13 23:37    37  ******************
  22    2021-03-13 23:38    29  **********

SCT Error Recovery Control:
           Read:     70 (7.0 seconds)
          Write:     70 (7.0 seconds)

Device Statistics (GP/SMART Log 0x04) not supported

Pending Defects log (GP Log 0x0c) supported [please try: '-l defects']

SATA Phy Event Counters (GP Log 0x11)
ID      Size     Value  Description
0x0001  2            0  Command failed due to ICRC error
0x0002  2            0  R_ERR response for data FIS
0x0003  2            0  R_ERR response for device-to-host data FIS
0x0004  2            0  R_ERR response for host-to-device data FIS
0x0005  2            0  R_ERR response for non-data FIS
0x0006  2            0  R_ERR response for device-to-host non-data FIS
0x0007  2            0  R_ERR response for host-to-device non-data FIS
0x0008  2            0  Device-to-host non-data FIS retries
0x0009  2            3  Transition from drive PhyRdy to drive PhyNRdy
0x000a  2            1  Device-to-host register FISes sent due to a COMRESET
0x000b  2            0  CRC errors within host-to-device FIS
0x000d  2            0  Non-CRC errors within host-to-device FIS

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kwon · 14. März 2021

Zitat

Why is the status LED for the SSD red and for the data drives green?

That's a more complicated question then it may seem. SMART basically tries to estimate if a drive is going to fail by logging a bunch of statistical data as you see in your reports. However this is uncertain, as statistics are in general. So without giving you a two hour lecture on SMART values and differences on manufacturers etc. the short version is: If the SMART check says the drive may fail it really may do so soon. If the SMART check finds nothing it only means exactly that, it didn't find anything concerning but as with many tests in life, not finding a problem does not necessarily mean there is none.

False positives are rare, but a negative result of SMART just gives an indication.

So in this case it means the system thinks your SSD has a problem. That sometimes occurs with SSDs but since you have no data on the SSD, just the OS, I wouldn't worry too much for now and first check the rest of the hardware. If we find nothing else we may come back to this.

You didn't do an extended test on the harddrives though, did you? You should.

For the future: in the SMART settings in OMV you can create a job to let the drives get checked every month or so.

Zitat

How do you realize large datapools?

snapraid + mergerfs or ZFS

We're going a bit into a basic tutorial here, if you don't want to get lectured do tell. But since you ask:

- never use LVM for large data pools. If only one drive fails all your data is gone

- especially do never do it if you have no backup (which of course can never occur because we all know if you don't do backups cute little rabbits die horribly every night so we all do backups!!!)

- and never ever screw around with the LVM without backing up the data beforehand

so in other words you did a couple of things that you should never do, but now you are where you are. If it will be possible to get out of this without data loss - we'll see. But if you take anything away from this: don't mess with any filesystem without a backup.

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Better means, the last time I restarted the NAS I only had to press the power two times (instead 6 or 7 times)

Dude... If one of my interns would have done that I'd be hunting him through the shop with a paintball-gun...

Alright, sorry if I'm lecturing again but...

In case you have a HDD that may be failing soon (which may be your problem, we don't know yet) you make it MUCH more likely the drive fails with every time you force a restart. In other words NEVER force a drive to restart over and over if there is even just the chance it may have errors. And... again, especially if there is no backup...

Now in your case: one drive failing means all the data is gone. Thats what LVM does.

So what you do if you just start the machine over and over is you are hating your data and trying really hard to destroy it.

Zitat

Usually the NAS goes to spend at night, not completely off.

Not a good idea.

Zitat

not yet, cause I'm not sure to preserve, but it should?!

Like I said above:

1. SMART check (the extended one, your response was too fast to be able to do that unless you did it before)

2. RAM check

3. BIOS reset

4. would be unplug everything and test if the mainboard is OK (which was already suggested in the other thread.

Beamformer · 14. März 2021

Zitat von kwon

1. SMART check

I scheduled a long-self test for each drive for tomorrow within the OMV GUI.

Zitat von kwon

2. RAM check

I think I can do this by booting into 'SystemRescueCD' in the OMV GUI by selecting it in the kernel tab?! There should be Memtest included. But then the system boots to a promt/CLI? How to start the memtest then?

Zitat von kwon

3. BIOS reset

should be possible without losing the LVM.

Zitat von kwon

Not a good idea.

Not? I have a couple of computers/devises with hard drive which I always shut down, computers, Dreambox, TV, Xbox, etc.

You do not turn all these devises to off to preserve your hard drives? Whats about your electricity bill?

Parallel I will look for external hard drives for backup my data.

kwon · 14. März 2021

Zitat von Beamformer

I think I can do this by booting into 'SystemRescueCD' in the OMV GUI by selecting it in the kernel tab?! There should be Memtest included. But then the system boots to a promt/CLI? How to start the memtest the

I usually just use the pxe boot or a CD lying around, but if you have neither this might work. After memtest starts you just see a blue screen checking your RAM with random tests.

Zitat von Beamformer

should be possible without losing the LVM.

Yes. Do you know how to do that using the mainboard jumper? If not check the manual for clr cmos / clear cmos.

Zitat von Beamformer

Not? I have a couple of computers/devises with hard drive which I always shut down, computers, Dreambox, TV, Xbox, etc.
You do not turn all these devises to off to preserve your hard drives? Whats about your electricity bill?

1. other devices are a different story, this is a NAS / server that as it seems you are using every day. So different aspects come into play.

2. you can tell OMV to spin down drives if indeed you think this is necessary, but suspending the system does not make much sense to me

3. Energy consumption should always be watched - BUT: your cpu uses max 10W under load, with RAM and mainboard etc. lets say 20W, with HDDs lets make it 50W. depending on where you live and what power prices are like this translates to max. 150 € per year. Max! This does not take into account, that drives, cpu etc. in idle use much less. So realistically we're probably talking less then 100 € total cost with 24/7. BUT - you are still going to use the system every day even if you turn it off at night. So we would have to figure the difference, and that is probably at best one third of that. So you may safe 30 €. In a whole year. Worth it? How about you just eat soup instead of meat once a week? That is much more cost effective. Or whatever else may be easy for you.

If you turn it off every night however, spin the drives up and down all the time for no reason they are more likely to fail, more errors may occur (hence this thread?) and this has not even taken into account how much time it takes for you to solve these issues then.

Now I don't know how much you earn per hour, but I do not see the point for the hassle for 30 € in a year.

If you are however very much concerned about the climate catastrophe - which you should be - invest in a solar panel. Or ten.

geaves · 14. März 2021

kwon you do realise you could be preaching to the hard of hearing

kwon · 14. März 2021

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kwon you do realise you could be preaching to the hard of hearing

LOL yeah. Sort of factored that in.

But I rarely have time to hang around in forums and since I posted a question here anyway I thought I could help out with answering a few myself. I have to admit though that my interns used to learn faster once I took out the box of rubber balls. That is significantly harder to do online.

geaves · 14. März 2021

Zitat von kwon

I have to admit though that my interns used to learn faster once I took out the box of rubber ball

Soma · 14. März 2021

Zitat von geaves

kwon you do realise you could be preaching to the hard of hearing

This one just nailed it,

But, as we say in Portugal, "let me put some more fuel in the fire..."

Beamformer

After searching some info about your MB, I found this on a portuguese PC Components seller. There's some interesting comment from a buyer about the services of the MB:

After translate it to English:

Zitat

Good board for low power server. Acceptable performance for what I needed (deploy a good amount of services that I usually use at home). It has a decent number of disk connections (4 SATA + USB3 available). The only problem I've encountered is that UEFI doesn't have support for legacy BIOS, and that Wake On LAN works whenever it wants (something I've perceived as quite common, by the way).
Vantagens: Reduced size, acceptable performance, low power consumption, acceptable power
Desvantagens: Does not support Legacy BIOS. Wake ON LAN doesn't always work.

Just FYI.

And the source is: this one

geaves · 14. März 2021

Zitat von Soma

This one just nailed it

TBH this thread and the other all come from a few problems, trying to boot from a sata card, installing debian then omv, this is only necessary if there is an issue with the hardware, and the use of LVM. Using an SSD as boot drive is a total waste, omv will boot quite happily from a usb flash drive.

'It is therefore the ruling of this the forum that the only way forward is to reinstall' using either mergerfs + snapraid or zfs, and initiate a backup procedure. Both threads are crossing over each other with no light at the end of the either tunnel.

kwon · 14. März 2021

Zitat von geaves

Both threads are crossing over each other with no light at the end of the either tunnel.

Like I said, I need my box of rubber balls. Sometimes pain is a very powerful teacher...

But maybe you guys joining in has an equal effect. Let's see if he's doing now what is necessary. Otherwise we could just give him a new nick... I vote for "deafballs".

Beamformer · 27. März 2021

Now I did a backup from the data drives (unbelievable long - because the NAS gives no peak performance, but I think this is another story )

Zitat von geaves

no light at the end of the either tunnel

I think so too.

Now I did a Bios/UEFI Reset in the UEFI itself by setting all to standard values. kwon: this was not correct? I have to clear cmos?

Is suspend as bad as turning off the NAS? Then I will disable it.

But after this the NAS starts a couple of time directly (without the error from #14 - RE: OMV Volumes verkleinern/vergrößern)

The extended SMART test is not available, I'm not sure if OMV did it the right way. I have to double check.

Beside this I look after the RAM check within SystemRescueCD

kwon · 29. März 2021

Hi there, wasn't sure you're still there.

So you do have a backup now? That's good.

I recommend to CLR CMOS. Just an experience. Especially if powerissues occur.

Zitat von Beamformer

Is suspend as bad as turning off the NAS? Then I will disable it.

Yes. If you keep it activated every hour a furry little kitten dies horribly in a blender! And they shall haunt you in your dreams.

You still have to do the RAM test and CLR CMOS, right?

So report back once that's done. And don't forget the kittens... can you hear them screaming? I can... make it stop! MAKE IT STOP!!!

Beamformer · 30. März 2021

Zitat von kwon

So you do have a backup now?

yes, of my data drives, not of the system drive.

Ok, I come back with the clear CMOS and RAM test.

Ohh I can hear the kittens screaming

Beamformer · 9. April 2021

I have the mem-test. Looks good I think.

kwon · 27. April 2021

Hi There,

haven't been on for a while.

So to summarize so far:

- RAM is checked and OK?

- HDDs are checked and OK?

- BIOS reset is done?

Whats the current status other then that?

Beamformer · 28. April 2021

Ram should be fine and harddrives also. The (hardware) bios reset I have to do. I only did the (software) reset.

But since the suspend was deactivated the NAS works fine so far and I did not touch.

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