Concerning Backups

  • Hello,

    Looking for affirmation or advice on backing up my server. Currently I am using USB Backup onto a separate USB drive. I want a "Catastrophic won't boot" solution. I am currently trying to set up a Clonezilla boot usb and making an image to a different USB drive. I will make periodic new images of the server and I guess rotate them out. Eventually when I get users/groups and persmissions figured out I would want to backup all the connected windows and possibly other devices to the server, that is much later.

    Is Clonezilla considered a adequate disaster solution?

    Thanks for any experienced views and advice.

    • Official Post

    Is Clonezilla considered a adequate disaster solution?

    Yes. On amd64 you can boot into clonezilla from omv-extras and connect via ssh to perform the backup. You should test the backup, just to make sure you know how to restore.



    I would want to backup all the connected windows and possibly other devices to the server, that is much later.

    Have a look at UrBackup. It backups data of your clients and also images of complete drives.

  • Hello macom,

    I went a different route, although I thought I remembered something about using it in omv. I created a bootable USB and after several attempts I managed to get it to save an image to a usb backup drive. It said it worked...................... It shut down the server for hours.... Is there a tutorial on how to do it the way you mentioned? I did not see anything in the plugins and I haven't used anything that shows up in the omvextra or I just didn't find it. I copied the boot ssd and the raid drives and did all the checks and stuff.

    How does one go about testing it for the restore without doing what it seems that it implies???????????????????

  • How does one go about testing it for the restore without doing what it seems that it implies???????????????????

    You can't. But nothing says you have to restore to the disk the backup was made from.

    --
    Google is your friend and Bob's your uncle!


    A backup strategy is worthless unless you have a verified to work by testing restore strategy.


    OMV AMD64 7.x on headless Chenbro NR12000 1U Intel Xeon CPU E3-1230 V2 @ 3.30GHz 32GB ECC RAM.

    OMV AMD64 8.x on headless Tyan Thunder SX GT86C-B5630 1U Server with Intel Xeon Silver 4110 CPU @ 2.10GHz & 32GB DDR4 ECC RAM.

    Edited 2 times, last by gderf ().

    • Official Post

    I did not see anything in the plugins and I haven't used anything that shows up in the omvextra or I just didn't find it.

    In omv-extras there is tab called "kernel". There you find a section about clonezilla. In that section you can download/install the clonezilla ISO and set grub to reboot ONCE into clonezilla. After that is done you can just reboot the server and instead of booting into OMV it will boot into clonezilla.


    This guide is a bit dated, but you can follow from step 6

    Headless Backup of the System Drive with Clonezilla

  • Perhaps your concern is not clear to me. Can you restate it?

    --
    Google is your friend and Bob's your uncle!


    A backup strategy is worthless unless you have a verified to work by testing restore strategy.


    OMV AMD64 7.x on headless Chenbro NR12000 1U Intel Xeon CPU E3-1230 V2 @ 3.30GHz 32GB ECC RAM.

    OMV AMD64 8.x on headless Tyan Thunder SX GT86C-B5630 1U Server with Intel Xeon Silver 4110 CPU @ 2.10GHz & 32GB DDR4 ECC RAM.

  • In omv-extras there is tab called "kernel". There you find a section about clonezilla. In that section you can download/install the clonezilla ISO and set grub to reboot ONCE into clonezilla. After that is done you can just reboot the server and instead of booting into OMV it will boot into clonezilla.


    This guide is a bit dated, but you can follow from step 6

    Headless Backup of the System Drive with Clonezilla

    Good day to you! Of course thanks again and that seems doable, other than the grub thing. We are not consistently on good terms.

    Danke, Gracias and so forth :)

  • Perhaps your concern is not clear to me. Can you restate it?

    Sorry. I thought your first response was obvious and cryptic. The part about "But nothing says you have to restore to the disk the backup was made from." seems to me, that you know of other paths to the solution of the problem of having a solid backup image or how to accomplish it. I was being verbose in saying that if you do know other solutions to a no booting failure, that I would like to hear about it. and if I am wrong in my assumption that "no worries".

  • In omv-extras there is tab called "kernel". There you find a section about clonezilla. In that section you can download/install the clonezilla ISO and set grub to reboot ONCE into clonezilla. After that is done you can just reboot the server and instead of booting into OMV it will boot into clonezilla.


    This guide is a bit dated, but you can follow from step 6

    Headless Backup of the System Drive with Clonezilla

    Thanks macom, but the link you provided for my edification is way beyond my skill, currently:(:S?(:!:

  • Sorry. I thought your first response was obvious and cryptic. The part about "But nothing says you have to restore to the disk the backup was made from." seems to me, that you know of other paths to the solution of the problem of having a solid backup image or how to accomplish it. I was being verbose in saying that if you do know other solutions to a no booting failure, that I would like to hear about it. and if I am wrong in my assumption that "no worries".

    I am still not understanding exactly what your question or concern is.

    --
    Google is your friend and Bob's your uncle!


    A backup strategy is worthless unless you have a verified to work by testing restore strategy.


    OMV AMD64 7.x on headless Chenbro NR12000 1U Intel Xeon CPU E3-1230 V2 @ 3.30GHz 32GB ECC RAM.

    OMV AMD64 8.x on headless Tyan Thunder SX GT86C-B5630 1U Server with Intel Xeon Silver 4110 CPU @ 2.10GHz & 32GB DDR4 ECC RAM.

    • Official Post

    You can't. But nothing says you have to restore to the disk the backup was made from.

    That means (I think).

    If A is your OS drive. Then you can make a backup of A to drive B. Then restore from B to drive C. Then replace A by C. If everything works, you have a working backup.

  • If it is for the OS / boot drive: just make a clone of the drive, swap drives reboot. if it works, keep the "old" one as backup.

    If you got help in the forum and want to give something back to the project click here (omv) or here (scroll down) (plugins) and write up your solution for others.

  • I am still not understanding exactly what your question or concern is.

    Again sorry. There is no concern and really no problem or question. I did not understand your initial answer completely and was attempting to have you elaborate. I did not mean to cause concern or waste your time.

    Thanks

  • That means (I think).

    If A is your OS drive. Then you can make a backup of A to drive B. Then restore from B to drive C. Then replace A by C. If everything works, you have a working backup.

    Hey there macon. Sounds like a plan. Is there something in the omv or linux side to clone a drive? As I am using all my sata ports it seems problematic.

  • If it is for the OS / boot drive: just make a clone of the drive, swap drives reboot. if it works, keep the "old" one as backup.

    As mentioned above, I am both a bit out of my depth and have all my sata ports used. I like the new word problematic, encompasses so many issues;). Any suggestions are appreciated because if I can use the USB backup plugin to take care of my data in raid, I really only need the OS boot/swap disk to restore if it becomes problematic (fails to boot). I have not figured a way to get the USB backup to do the os disk.

    Tanx

    • Official Post

    If clonezilla seems complicated to you, the simplest system you will find is this:

    https://openmediavault.readthe…l#operating-system-backup

    But for that you must install OMV on a USB stick.

    https://openmediavault.readthe…/installation/on_usb.html

  • As mentioned above, you can boot into clonezilla from omv-extras and create an image on one of the data drives.


    Or you can boot clonezilla from an USB thumb drive.

    For now I can use the usb. Also can save much time with all the extra checking I did on the converted windows drive. I believe I also do not need to copy the data drives. So thank you for the support and maybe I will eventually use the omv-extras option.

    If clonezilla seems complicated to you, the simplest system you will find is this:

    https://openmediavault.readthe…l#operating-system-backup

    But for that you must install OMV on a USB stick.

    https://openmediavault.readthe…/installation/on_usb.html

    Thanks for explaining my options. I can make the choice now to just use the clonezilla on the usb stick and a separate usb drive. I hope I can eventually figure out the alternative!

    Another issue dealt with and currently resolved:thumbup:

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    Added the Label resolved

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