OMV MAY NOT HAVE A DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT !!

Thanks. Everyone should be aware of this fact, so they do not run into the issues i am having. Unfortunately i did not know upfront!

I am happy to follow this path but am stuck not being able to move on with the upgrade.

Is there any way forward to use OMV for users that already have a desktop environment installed not knowing upfront that this is forbidden or a bad idea in OMV? More precisely: how could they get back to an environment that is supported and well working?

I can positively report that the webtop docker runs fine and is easy to get up.

Zitat von monsen

how could they get back to an environment that is supported

Uninstalling the desktop related packages mentioned in above pull request (PR) could achieve that.

Think I tried this about a year ago and was at least partially successful but had other issues too.

Hence your milage may vary but is certainly worth a trial. Please report back findings

I can only state that upgrading from a 5.6.22-1 version worked for me but not from 5.6.23-1.

I uninstalled all packages related to desktop before but it never worked when going from 5.6.23-1.

Altough there was no error i could relate to this pull request here, it still might be.

If you need some CLI logs of these upgrade tries i can propbably dig them out.

This is a good solution when you want to access your OMV with a desktop environment FROM a 2nd computer.

But if you want to use the computer hosting OMV , it is not possible with this setup.

I wish I could access my media files locally ... without need of another computer.....

Zitat von moreje

I wish I could access my media files locally ... without need of another computer.....

Then don't use OMV and just have a desktop OS installed with the drives attached to it and your wish is granted.

OMV is not a file browser, it's a file/services manager.

Or run OMV in a VM and use the rest of the computer with a desktop OS (if you have a powerfull hardware).

To many possibilities to name them all

Zitat von moreje

This is a good solution when you want to access your OMV with a desktop environment FROM a 2nd computer.

But if you want to use the computer hosting OMV , it is not possible with this setup.

I wish I could access my media files locally ... without need of another computer.....

please google about what a "NAS" mean, NAS is not a Desktop PC that is clearly what you want.

Zitat von ryecoaaron

Are you saying you don't have a second computer?

If you want to use the hosting computer for something else other than OMV, just run OMV as a VM.

mplayer can play media files to the framebuffer. So, you don't technically need a desktop to do that. I don't understand why you need to access those files on the OMV system though.

No, I have other computers of course. but the one hosting OMV is in my bedroom, with a screen connected to it and I use it to watch movies before sleeping

I did not know the mplayer tip, but I suspect that it is not so easy to browse media library thn with emby :s

anyway...I totally understand your No Desktop position! you're the dev team...you know what is good or what is bad for your product!

My concern was just to find a solution to switch from my working OMV5 install (with some personnal uses) to a future OMV6 setup.

Concerning OMV inside a VM, I started thinking about it but , I'm a bit worried about my RAID volumes.... will they be managed the same way from a VM? is it risky ?

thank you !!

Zitat von raulfg3

please google about what a "NAS" mean, NAS is not a Desktop PC that is clearly what you want.

I know the definition, and I know I have a hybrid use of my PC.

I am aware that this use will not be possible anymore with OMV6 ... it's not a big deal, I justed wanted to know if simple workarounds (not something that breaks the system) were existing...

Zitat von ryecoaaron

Move the OMV box out of your bedroom and put an RPi there running kodi/libreelec/openelec.

Depends on the setup. If you pass the drives through to the VM, OMV shouldn't know any difference.

The RPI solution was already in the short list!! you're right!

I will think about the VM!

Anyway, thank you for your job! despite these points, I really enjoy your work!!

Zitat von moreje

I am aware that this use will not be possible anymore with OMV6 ... it's not a big deal, I justed wanted to know if simple workarounds (not something that breaks the system) were existing...

Thema

OMV 6.0.8 + xrdp

Hi,


I've recently learned that OMV6 can no longer coexist with a graphic environment.

https://www.openmediavault.org/?p=3075

Could you give me details on the reasons that led to this decision ? No way around this restriction ?
An alternative to propose for someone who regularly uses an xrdp connection on his server ?

Thanks

Ykzel

2. Februar 2022

Simplified answer... No, No and no.

But..................................... if you sign a pact with the devil and with your own blood you sign a declaration that you will never you won't look for help in case of any problems, then close the doors and window curtains and do whatever you want with your box.

You can even do rm -rf if you wish...

Zitat von JohnStiles

I've recently learned that OMV6 can no longer coexist with a graphic environment.

OMV and graphical UI in a container can certainly coexist. This "coexistence" is detailed in original post.

The meaning/definition of "installed together" and "coexistence" differ widely. Could you please specify the definition of what "coexistence" means to you?

Zitat von mi-hol

OMV and graphical UI in a container can certainly coexist. This "coexistence" is detailed in original post.

The meaning/definition of "installed together" and "coexistence" differ widely. Could you please specify the definition of what "coexistence" means to you?

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I've recently learned that OMV6 can no longer coexist with a graphic environment.

The words quoted do not belong to me.

I'm talking about installing the desktop environment directly on the OS not in a container or vm. As for what I can personally say on this topic. I did comment on that thread... but eventually I withdrew from publicly publishing a solution that allows OMV6 to be installed on debian which has a pre-prepared desktop environment.

What does this mean... it means that from the purely technical point of view, it is possible to force the system to have both a desktop and an OMV6 installed at the same time.

However, it is VERY IMPORTANT, it is absolutely forbidden and not recommended approach to the matter and the OMV team does not want to see these solutions so much that finally, this blockade was introduced.

The reasons are clear why officially desktop and omv are considered great evil. It is simply a very risky mix that gets into conflict in the system and creates technical problems. And OMV does not want to solve the problems that can be simply avoided by banning the desktop from omv.

So if someone decides to break the desktop + OMV rule, let them remember that they won't get any help on this forum!
And it does not even make sense for such a person to write a post, because it will be ordinary spam...

I am committed to the principle that your computer is your property, so you have the right to do whatever you want with it. But if you decide to break the official rules, don't bother others. And OMV has every right to decide that it doesn't support desktop + omv and that's their right too!

For this I wrote jokingly and sarcastically to close the door and cover the window... in private isolation you can do whatever you want with your computer and install OMV. But if any problem arises, don't look for help here!

I hope I have expressed myself quite clearly.

Zitat von JohnStiles

I wrote jokingly and sarcastically

Thanks for clarification.

unfortunately translations for non-English native speakers don't convey this intent good enough to be understood

Zitat von monsen

I can only state that upgrading from a 5.6.22-1 version worked for me but not from 5.6.23-1.

I uninstalled all packages related to desktop before but it never worked when going from 5.6.23-1.

Altough there was no error i could relate to this pull request here, it still might be.

If you need some CLI logs of these upgrade tries i can propbably dig them out.

Can you list the package that you installed from 5.6.22 before to upgrade to 6.x version?

What do you mean by "package"?

"packages" are applications installed via a package manager like apt.

To list all packages run below command via a command shell

home$ sudo apt list --installed
Listing... Done
accountsservice/focal-updates,focal-security,now 0.6.55-0ubuntu12~20.04.5 amd64 [installed,automatic]
acl/focal,now 2.2.53-6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
acpi-support/focal,now 0.143 amd64 [installed,automatic]