Raspberry Pi 5

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On one system, yes. Others, I just have an 18 or 20 TB drive that can handle my whole backup.

That is just one part. Putting a raid card in a desktop motherboard with four different brands of 10TB drives is not server grade in my opinion. The motherboard, power supplies, disks, and even case (Lots of air flow) should be higher quality and meant for servers/NAS.

My current primary server is an Asrock Rack single socket xeon (e5-2697v3) motherboard with ipmi and ECC ram. My spinning disks are either NAS-grade WD drives or enterprise Seagate drives. Power supply is platinum efficiency EVGA PSU with 10 year warranty. It is in a fairly cheap case but all cpu (2) and case fans (3) are Noctua 120mm. My system doesn't have much for automatic redundancy but I'm not too worried if it goes down and I have to swap a PSU. I have multiple full backups of my data on the primary server and other servers. I have a couple of 8TB offline drives for cold storage. I also have an LTO-6 tape drive that I create archives occasionally to store offsite.

Do you really have that much data? I also use enterprise drives Toshiba. Thanks for that Rye learning everyday.

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There is nothing wrong with using an RPi3/4/5 as a NAS. I use two of them as backups of my primary.

I just said that I wouldn't use a Rpi as a NAS. At least not as a primary NAS with Docker and containers. As a backup NAS, which you turn on from time to time, that's something else. I didn't say that it's wrong to use an Rpi. Everyone can do what they want. For me (and by that I mean only me) the disadvantages outweigh the disadvantages. With an x86 machine, I think you have more options. The power consumption is lower with a Raspi than with a computer with an Intel N or J processor. Thanks to Autoshutdown, wakeonlan and PicoPSU on the x86 computer, the whole thing is put into perspective again. My J5040 computer is passively cooled and works absolutely silently. With the PCIex interface and RTC, the Rpi 5 offers more possibilities than the Pi's before. In order to use the PCIex interface for data carriers, additional investments are again required. You need an m.2 (NVME) or a Sata hat. In this case, the data carriers must be supplied with external power. So you also need at least one case with SATA and power connection. Are there such cases for sale or does it ultimately come down to tinkering? At some point, there will be a relatively expensive case for the Rpi 5 with a sata hat, power supply, and space for third-party disks. Then the whole thing looks tidy. In the end, it will be easier and cheaper to attach a USB hard drive to the Rpi 5 in an external case than to deal with SATA.

It looks we could all agree that RPi is just a nice piece of hardware to be used for "whatever project" - imagination is the limit And hey, we could add also Pi Zero 2W to the NAS-possible list (Michael Klements project from some time ago) - why not? So, yes I'm happy RPI5 will be available soon - however can't promise I'll use it for NAS - but will try it with OMV for sure

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I don't understand the shade at RPi for NAS. I run two RPi 4 based servers, one as a media server (high use) and the other for private documents (low use). We run that media server hard at times dishing out movies to multiple TVs. I have stressed it with running 4K on one TV, while streaming something less (HD, 480, whatever) on another TV and the CPU load is low. To be clear, these are both mounted on Geekworm kits with JMicron chipsets and 16T Barracuda SATA NAS drives so not running through corded USB drives so that helps. I suppose there is a place where it falls short of an expensive Synology but I haven't found that place yet. I think router/hub/TV network setup configurations wind up being the bigger issue with home servers.

One thing worth mentioning is that I am not running any media based software (Owntone, Plex, etc). We simply navigate MiniDLNA indexes on our enduser devices. I tried Owntone but the CPU overhead was intolerable.

ryecoaaron - sure, but I guess I'll wait for OMV7 - I'm old enough to be patient

Barney - don't think anybody here is against RPi - in my case I just like to use RPi (and other SBCs and BTW I started with OMV on SBC) for the project where I could use a bit more hardware like GPIO connectivity. I'm also using RPi4 as my "backup PC" in case of power failure - it is running for days on battery. I'm also running few NanoPi as one-disk-NAS (well just SMB share without any additional software) in my local network. So it is nothing "against" - it is (in my case) just another decisions made.

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Maybe "shade" is a little harsh. I do get the sense that 'it's RPi so....pffft'.

I can be accused of being an RPi addict though, so maybe I am missing something that I need to know.

I appreciate that perspective and it gives me a few things to ponder. I did specifically mention that I am running on an SATA based system to avoid the USB. I guess the correct statement out of that is "RPi should include interface kits, not running standalone with USB plug drives". As far as processors go, I am going to dabble in an X86 at some point for learning.

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... Geekworm kits with JMicron chipsets ...

Hi, could you point me to example kits - this sounds like something I could make use of.

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Hi, could you point me to example kits - this sounds like something I could make use of.

My two NAS use two different Geekworm products:

1. 2 - 5T 2.5" drives / RPi4 in this one: https://geekworm.com/collectio…age/products/naspi-gemini

2. 2 - 16T 3.5" drives in this one: https://geekworm.com/collectio…products/naspi-gemini-3-5

I was going to offer more details but then realize I am stomping all over this thread with stuff not related to Pi5. Moderators may choose to move this thread as needed.

I bought old used supermicro board (<$100) and used Xeon chip (<$30) and slapped into a cheapo server case. Unlike the waste of money on the Synology that failed me, this is way cheaper and has, to date, outlived it.

Only real money spent was on power supply (platinum certified), good fans, and the server grade Samsung ECC RAM was a steal (DDR4 was more expensive than DDR4 ECC at the time) The hard disks were a wash in any given case. After monitoring these threads for a while, my cost was lower than some fancily set up ARM-based option. It uses a little (and I mean a little) more energy than a Rasberry Pi v4 as measured with my Kill-A-Watt and takes up more space, but I didn't and still don't notice it on the energy bill and it's in a corner of the living space that's rarely accessed.

The fans are barely audible, except on boot-up (rare).

Offering this as food for thought.

Good idea to use pi as backup to primary. I hadn't considered this before, but the wheels are turning now. I have old 3 that is bored.

Mine is already on route,
Unfortunately, will only be able to have a go, in 3 weeks time, once I get home.

Only need to see what comes out with PCIe adapter's to see if I can move all 5x drives from the Interceptor/CM4.

Was waiting for the Storaxa to replace it but it seems that it will take a long time till it arrives (if arrives).

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It will probably show up while I am in Spain for VMware Explore.

How come you are off to that Rye?

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Mine is still marked as pre-ordered on Sparkfun

I'm only getting this one because I have a subscription on MagPi and it gave me a "priority boarding",

All other pre-ordered one's, are scheduled for january,