Incus and LXConsole

Has anyone tried installing Incus on OMV7 yet?

The reason I'm asking is that I'd like to try it, I like the look of LXConsole which looks easier to read for me than the OMV's KVM plugin.

Plus I like that Incus is not Ubuntu controlled and it seems to be very actively developed.

I also like that there are a number of Youtube channels making video's on using Incus from the CLI or LXConsole.

I know that we have the KVM plugin, which I do have installed, but I don't find it the easiest thing to use, I realise that is a 'me' problem rather than the software.

If no-one has tried it. Before I spin up a OMV VM and try installing Incus on it, does anyone have a list of problems they think I may have to overcome?

Quote from ryecoaaron

It is in Debian backports. I tried it a while back but the web interface felt a lot like cockpit and the command line didn't seem to have any advantages over virsh.

I've not used virsh, but have used cockpit on baremetal, didn't find it to bad.

Upto now, I've mainly concentrated on docker, which I do like, for it's ease of use. I see incus is starting to allow some docker things going forward.

I've also seen Truenas is going to use Incus (doesn't mean I think what Truenas does, then so should OMV) for me OMV is a lot better than Truenas, as I don't use ZFS, and a lot cleaner looking, it also works with my little JBOD system.

For me being a homelab person, I like to try new stuff out and thought if someone else has given Incus a go, then I could save myself some work, if it didn't work or needed a work around for it to function correctly.

Quote from ryecoaaron

While I am curious why the kvm plugin is hard to "read" or exactly what makes lxconsole easier to read, lxconsole isn't confined to the constraints of the OMV web interface. lxconsole seems to have advantages when using a cluster. Otherwise, I just see a lot of unneeded info if you are using a single node.

It's a me thing regarding the use of the plugin, I've not done loads of vm or lxc. The last lxc I did, I wanted to increase disk space, couldn't see how to do it, where I know you can from incus.

Regarding lxconsole, it just looked to me, easier to navigate, plus of course there seems to be more tutorials for Incus and lxconsole than OMV, but I can generally get my round OMV.

Quote from ryecoaaron

Canonical doesn't control lxc. They control lxd. Since the plugin isn't using lxd at all, I don't see how Ubuntu control is a problem.

My bad, I was under the impression lxc was a newer or subset of lxd.

Quote from ryecoaaron

The kvm plugin works with virsh, the plugin itself, cockpit, virt-manger, or any other tool that supports libvirt.

Perhaps I'll spend some time looking at the above as well. Always nice to see whats out there.

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Why? I bounce from omv kmv plugin to virsh to virt-manger to VMware to proxmox all day long and don't have issues with any of them. I try to make the plugin easy to use from my experience with those systems. I'm curious where I went wrong or somehow came up a system that is unusable enough to make people use a completely new system.

Like I said earlier, I'm a simple homelab person, who see's something and thinks I'll learn that, and give it a go, sometimes it clicks straight away, others not. If there is more than one way of doing something, then to me thats good.

The plugin is excellent, the same as the docker plugin is as well, but I also like Dockge for docker as well, and would of liked to jump between the 2, but I can't, so I've stuck with your compose plugin because it does all I want and more, but if the plugin used 'compose.yml' for the compose file, I could use either, but I'm grateful that OMV has some brilliant tools and maintainers.

I haven't written any code since I ran a BBS, so I get it, when someone couldn't always see the software as I saw it, especially as I used to hate writing documentation. Which is why I like forums and try and help where I can.

Obviously, it doesn't look as though anyone is interested in Incus, so I'll spin up some OMV vms and see how it goes.

Quote from Krisbee

The KVM plugin is a good fit for OMV which is first and foremost a NAS appliance. Incus is a different beast, a container/vm orchestrator (more akin to Proxmox et al.) with managed storage. It doesn't mean there is no interest in Incus, it's just I don't see how it's possible for Incus to run under OMV in anything other than a VM. Just have a look at the official incus docs re: storage and networking:

Fair enough. I've looked at Proxmox, but always come back to OMV, especially now I tend to use Docker containers.

I don't really have a ton of use for VM's or LXC's, if I'm being honest with myself, not sure I want to spend the time updating them, but I may spin up the odd one going forward.

Quote from Krisbee

The fact that a forthcoming version of TrueNAS SCALE is to incorporate Incus in some (butchered?) form is not necessarily an endorsement. It's just another twist in the long running SCALE saga which backed some wrong horses and pursued what ended up as blind allies.

Scale is just more than I need, plus I don't use ZFS. I like the video's, but even when the Scale fans say how easy it is to use compared to Unraid or OMV, I'm not sure they've given OMV a good enough run, or really looked at the OMV extras properly.

I'm not sure Scale has docker working correctly even now.

Quote from ryecoaaron

Since I assume you might use other tools to edit the compose.yml, that would just mean the compose plugin would be out of date (sure, there is a sync button but that is a manual step) or the compose plugin would overwrite a change from the other tool. Just seems like a headache to me and the plugin would need a significant change for it to happen. It would also break existing backups.

No, I get it, I came to accept it after I first asked you about it.

It's all good I've cobbled a bash script that goes through the compose folder and copies OMV files to vanilla docker files for each folder.

I don't see me changing from the plugin anytime soon, but the option is there, if I want to. Plus at the moment there are only a few programs that allow docker file manipulation.