Posts by Eryan

    There are a lot of people in this forum that can speak German. Therefore, if you have a question feel free to put it in German. It is not unusual that somebody who can speak German will answer your doubts. However, it is easier to get infos in English, since the majority of the people here knows English.

    Es gibt viele Leute in diese Forum, die Deutsch sprechen können. Deswegen, wann du ne Frage hast, kannst du auch auf Deutsch Fragen und ganz wahrscheinlich wird jemmand in deine Muttersprache antworten. Trotzdem, es ist vielleicht einfacher Infos auf Englisch zu kriegen weil die meistens von die Leute hier Englisch können.

    Seems like a nice setup. As you stated, ECC memory is more a "nice to have" than a necessary thing. In the other hand, unless you are going to do some sort of virtualization in your machines 32 Gb is an overkill. OMV is actually really good with the RAM, and I would dare to say that a good chunk of we users are safe with 2 Gb of ram (I never use more than 30% of that!). If you want to be extra safe, go for 4 (8 Gb for really REALLY safe). I am unfamiliar with Zoneminder, but I don't think that it requires such amounts of RAM. However, if money is not a limitation for your setup, go for the 32 gigs!!! :D

    Hi, and sorry for the late response. Was on holidays the last few days. I checked on my phone during those days and the links were certainly broken. But now they are working again ?(
    It seems like there is an issue with the caching from the pictures, but from the Google-side, because all my other threads with pictures are working properly. If it breaks again, I'll move the pictures to another storage service.

    I second the suggestion from tekkb. Building your own box will probably yield the best results for you. It will also depend on what you are going to do with you NAS. For basic stuff (backups, media streaming, home server) a box with something like an Intel J1900/AM1 based CPU should do the trick. In that aspect, you could also consider getting a used computer or used components. They are usually really cheap and you can get really nice stuff for just a few bucks.

    The build that you have in mind is a good start. It will probably have a low power consumption. The only thing I would recommend is the external PSU. Those tend to be far more expensive that the regular ATX PSUs and, for the case you are planning to use, won't make a lot of sense since the case has space for the PSU. The only reason to go for the Pico PSU is if noise is a concern (Pico PSU use no fans).

    Danke dir schonmal für deine Antwort! Hast du zufällig einen Link zu dem Remote Share und Explorer Plugin?

    Beide sind inklusive in OMV-Extras. Hast du es schon installiert? Was es chon installiert ist, kannst du "Plugins" in deine OMV klicken, und beide da installieren.

    It is, indeed, a really nice NAS! I found that the system iddles at 33 W. It is not really high, but extrapolated to one year it becomes 75€ per year in electricity. I thought that the speed step was disabled in the bios, but it wasn't. The cpu underclocks to 2 GHz when iddling. I disabled any othwr stuff that I don't need in the bios (parallel and serial ports, pci, etc) but it dis not made a huge difference. Therefore, the suggestion from @Markess does make sense. The chipset is drawing the most of the power.

    So, what I did was to send the PC to sleep when not in use. It remains suspended during the majority of the day. I use it only at night when I get back from work. Doing so, the electricity costs decrease to 30-35€ a year, which is what my previous rig consumed.

    Da kannst du den Remote Share Plugin nutzen (damit du dein Zyxel als ein Share in dein Microserver montierst, oder umgeker) und danach kannst du den Extplorer plugin nutzen deine Dateien zu bewegen oder du kannst ein CLI File Manager nutzen, ewas wie Midnight Commander (der musst du installieren via CLI).

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    Thanks so much for all your help. After hours and hours configuring things, I think I've gotten it good enough for what I need.

    Though, I have learned that "open source" means to figure it out yourself, not a community of people helping people.

    I certainly doubt that you will get any help if you come complaining and demanding for help. Open source does not mean "figure it out for yourself"; it means people with lives, families and jobs who invest their free time to develop software tools and to help other users. Nobody in this forum is 24/7 available, and if nobody have answered yet is because a)what you are asking was already discussed/solved or b)nobody had the time to answer. If you want support ASAP go get a paid NAS platform/software with 24/7 hotline support.

    A quick search in the forum will yield quite a lot of information on the issue you are experimenting. I will assume that you are connecting the 3 drives directly to the Raspi ports (no usb hub). The speeds you are seeing are normal for your setup, don't expect miracles. If I am not wrong, the Ethernet controller of the Raspi shares the same bus as the USB 2 controller. You can see it in the image below:

    That means, you are simply saturating your USB bus: you have 3 HDDs and the Ethernet running thru it. Since one of those drives is a SSD, my guess is that you have OMV installed there. If that is the case, it will simply make the things worse. Get a good class 10 SD card and install OMV there. The SD card controller does not use the same bus as the USB and is way faster, that way you can take some load from the USB bus. Using an SSD connected via USB 2.0 in a Raspi is basically a waste of money. The situation will get even worse when you move files from one HDD to another one, both connected to the Raspi. Think about it, you have OS + Ethernet + HDDs all going thru the USB controller, which has a theoretical maximum of 480 mbps. I will also assume that you are using 2.5'' drives which suck power directly from the Pi. Be sure to get an adapter with enough juice.

    If you want to read more about how the USB controller of the Raspi works, take a look here.

    Finally, nobody in this forum is getting paid or has the obligation to help the others. Keep that in mind.

    I have to agree that the Orange Pi packs better specs for a little bit more. Here in Germany you can get it for ~48€ and it supports Debian out of the box, and it seems to be compatible with the Raspberry pi images.

    So, after some number crunching, I came to the conclusion that upgrading my current setup with a bigger HDD would be less cost-effective than replacing the whole rig. As much as I hate to replace my little FX160, fact is that it can accommodate only 1 data drive. I ended up ordering the Optiplex 960 sff and got it for 99€ with shipping.

    The computer is a tad bigger than the FX160, but it follows the same design. The build quality of the case if impressive and the one I got had no scratches. It was, overall, in really good shape.

    Pulling a lever on the top of the housing releases the side panel. The first thing you notice is that the case makes really good use of the available sapce. On top you have the PSU (235 W), next to it the slim line Sata DVD drive (which will be replaced with a HDD Caddy). Below it are the CPU cooler with 2 fans in a push-pull configuration (80 x 25 mm pushing, 60x25 mm pulling), and right next to it the HDD cage which can hold up to x2 2.5'' HDD or a single 3.5'' drive. Removing both the cooler and the HDD cage grants access to the motherboard.

    Dell used a BTX motherboard, and it can be seen in the odd layout of the components: the CPU is below to the left and angled 45°. The cooler, however, is big and provides enough surface area for cooling. To the right, a PCIe 1x16 and a PCI slot are available for upgrades. The plan is to use those ports to add USB 3.0 and/or more Sata ports (there are only 3 in the motherboard + an eSata port behind). However, the oddest of all the components is the small PCIe x1, which sits just below the CPU cooler! It is supposed to accommodate a Wlan card with some sort of proprietary form factor. However, it seems that there is no Bios white-list, meaning that it might be used for something else.

    I replaced the DVD drive with a HDD Caddy and inside of it a SSD with OMV (from my previous rig), replaced the 3.5'' HDD that came with the computer with the 2.5'' HDD cage with my data drive, cleaned the fans and proceeded to test my new home server. As expected, migrating OMV to the new rig was a breeze and there was no problem at all. Everything worked out of the box!

    First impressions

    - I was concerned about the noise, since the computer uses 3 fans (2 for the CPU/HDDs and 1 inside the PSU). However, I was amazed how silent it is! You can certainly notice a really low buzzing, but that is only if you are standing next to the computer.

    - It uses an UEFI Bios with quite an array of options.

    - The thermal management is really good, despite of the odd positioning of the fans. The 80 mm one blows cool air to the CPU, while the 60 mm pushes and also blows air to the HDDs. You could say that the 60 mm one blows hot air from the CPU to the HDDs. Still, the temperature of the CPU remained around 32° C when idling and the HDDs around 30° C with the fans spinning at really low RPM.

    - The performance is far better than my old build. I find the network transfers to be faster, and certain plug-ins like Owncloud or Couch Potato are much more responsive and fast. The system has only 2 Gb of ram (the same as the old build) but it seems that the faster processor and Intel NIC make a difference.

    - I left the system running with an electricity usage monitor to check the power usage. The Core 2 Duo E8400 has a TDP of 65 W. The Atom 330 in my other rig had only 8 W TDP, therefore I am expecting the power consumption to be higher. I'll give it a couple of days and based on how high is the consumption I might disable some components/ports thru the Bios, and send the system to sleep a few hours a day when not in use.

    And what about the FX160?

    I wont get rid of the that one. I was thinking to repurpose it as a Linux computer or as a retro gaming rig. The CPU is powerful enough, and the GPU might suffice for some N64 / SNES gamming.

    Hello Forum

    I've been thinking for a while to upgrade my trustworthy Optiplex FX160 home server for something with more upgrade options. My main concern is that my actual server is running out of space, and I have no option to add more drives (I could use USB drives, but they will be out of the housing and I'll be limited to USB 2.0).

    I've made really good experiences with business-class Dell systems, and though about getting a SFF (small form factor) desktop-type system. I know that you can get some nice systems on Ebay, with CPU's ranging from Core 2 Duo's, Core 2 Quad's and second-generation Core-i's.

    I am specifically thinking of getting a Optiplex 960 SFF with a Core 2 Duo E8400 (3 GHz). You can grab one of those for ~100€ on Ebay, and they pack some nice goodies:

    - Small case: 29x8,5x32 cm
    - 3 Sata 2 ports
    - Up to 8 GB DDR2 ram
    - Intel 82567 Gigabit Lan controller
    - e-Sata port
    - x1 PCI port
    - x1 PCI express X16
    - 235 W high efficiency PSU
    - Chuck ~10€ more and you get a Windows 7 License (upgradable to W10).

    I like the idea of the integrated e-Sata and the free PCI/PCIe ports to add a USB 3.0 controller card. The CPU has a passmark of ~2100, which should be more than enough for basic NAS usage (my current setup has a Atom 330, and it has me covered for all my needs).


    - DDR2 memory: for my needs, I do not need fast ram. I don't even need a lot of it (2 Gb are usually enough). However, it is more expensive and difficult to get.
    - Proprietary motherboard: Dell still uses BTX form factor, which basically is incompatible with everything.
    - Unusual CPU position: I made the experience already with a HP DC7900 usdt with a LGA775 socket. There is an array of capacitors around the CPU which make using an aftermarket cooler almost impossible.
    - Power consumption: my current rig idles a 5-8 W. The C2D E8400 idles at 15-18 W at least. Not my bigger concern, but I just got used to the low consumption of the FX160.

    So, my questions to you would be:

    1. Has somebody experience with one of these PC's as home server?
    2. Any thoughts about the age of the components?
    3. I find the 100€ price tag quite attractive, given what is inside. What do you think?

    Other thoughts

    For around 100€ more I can get a system with DDR3 memory and a Core i3 (Optiplex 790), but with only 2 Sata ports and without eSata. But for the end price, I can better build a new system. Therefore, I don't think that going for a ~200€ system is such a good deal, given that I have to invest in several other components to achieve the same functionality that I get from the 960.

    Any comments are welcome!


    I made some extra research on the computer, and found some other facts and figures:

    - It has an integrated Raid Controller which allows Raid 0 and 1 modes. The system can, theoretically, accommodate up to 3 2.5'' drives: 2 on the integrated HDD caddy, and one thru a Slimline HDD caddy (which I happened to have one laying around).

    - Sata 2 connectors (3 internal + 1 eSata).

    - The CPU can be upgraded up to a Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650, which has a respectable 4277 Passmark.

    After some negotiation with the seller, I got one for 99.50€ with shipping, 2 years of warranty and 1 month no cost return. Not bad!

    Nice build! I personally find that these thin clients are an awesome option for a home NAS. They are kind of limited, but for basic NAS usage they are more than enough. Plus, they are quiet and energy efficient.

    Good choice going with the Optiplex! You won't regret it. I hope you have luck with your Kingspec. Make a back up of your OMV installation with Clonezilla. It will save you a lot of time if something goes wrong.

    Regarding the flash plugin, it is not necessary, but it won't hurt to use it. It may save some unnecessary writes to the SSD.

    For the streaming thing, yes, you could go the Plex way but you need Plex Pass, which costs some $$$ per year. Or you could use the subsonic plugin. It allows you to stream your music over the internet to your phone/tablet. I do not use it because I lack an internet flatrate contract, but AFAIK it works really good.

    I was experimenting similar issues to you. hdparm tends to be a little "sentimental" sometimes. You could perhaps look what is accessing your HDD and preventing it from sleeping as suggested on this post. Are you using samba or Plex Media Server? If that is the case, take a look at this post (that's how I finally managed to make the HDDs in my NAS sleep). You could also check the S.M.A.R.T configuration (if you are using it) and see if it is set to Standby (that way the disks won't be awaken to be checked).

    I use a similarly low power Atom, and there's nothing you can do to speed it up. But you can get yourself a Raspberry Pi to use as client and you won't have to worry about transcoding. Both Rasplex and Kodi/Plexbmc work flawlessly on it. Or if you use Amazon Prime, go for a FireTV.

    Well, it is sad to know that you had issues with the Kingston. I made the same experience with a Kingspec chinese SSD that died on me after a couple of weeks. It came from China, so forget the warranty. If the SSD is properly recognized in the other PCs, perhaps it is not the source of the problem. But, then again, if you can send it back, go ahead. Mine has been running for the last 6 months at least with no hazzle. I also got a 30 Gb SanDisk SSD for my sisters laptop and it works flawleslly in her EEE PC 1015pe. Just an option.

    Out of curiosity, what mainboard are you using? How old is it?

    To be honest, TRIM never passed thru my head. The SSD was cheap and I keep regular backups of my system drive. If it gets screwed up, I simply change the SSD. I tweaked TRIM only on my Windows based computers, but never in a Linux one. However, now that you mention it, you might be right. I've never checked if the discard parameter is enabled in the fstab. Looks like I have homework to do!

    Perhaps I am not the best one to give you advice on this matter. Maybe @ryecoaaron is more familiar with the topic.