Beiträge von bookie56

Hi ryecoaaron...

My goal isn't to run with the latest Proxmox kernels....just the only one that I have been able to get working oh the server computer isn't available in the kernel list... it was the 5.19 kernel...yes I can still install it...but if none of the other Proxmox kernels will work and I have tested them....then what is the point of installing the older one?

If you want to give me a how to install the latest version of OMV from scratch I will try that and give all feed back stage by stage .....in case I am misseing something.....

bookie56

Hi ryecoaaron

I have had similar threads about different problems with the proxmox kernel on this server motherboard....

Proxmox problems

Changed Setup

I changed the setup on this server a while back and while I had thought about keeping the original installation I reinstalled and because I had the latest OMV the Proxmox kernel I had working was not available...Yes....I can install an old kernel but it sort of defeats the object when we have so many available now....

Just found it easier to install the standard kernel with headers

bookie56

Hi rycoaaron

I do not dispute what you say.....as I have said the support here is second to none....

I have several Windows servers and even the following that I have discussed before...

Asus X99-M WS/SE 2011- LGA v3 Chipset Intel X99 Express

Intel Xeon E5-2620V4 e.1GHZ

1x Samsung NVMe SSD 960 EvO M2

2 x 16GB Samsung DDR4 DIMM 288-pin 2400 MHz / PC4-19200, CL17, 1.2 V, ECC

XFX Pro 850w Semi modular

Even though it is a server based motherboard...have had problems with the proxmox kernels....I gave up on this server and installed:

Linux 6.12.22+bpo-amd64

I forgot to say I have the above kernel on the above server and many others with the latest 7.7.6-1 (Sandworm)

What I am trying to say is that yes....it is a bit more work and you need to watch the updates....(which you should always do)

I always install ZFS via PuTTY and after installation and configuration I add the OMV plugin so it is tidy in web interface...

This has not failed me at all....and would be happy to guide other if they want to go that way...

Last point I would never criticise the fantastic help here it has saved my bacon lots of times.....

Thanks again for great support!!

bookie56

Hi guys!

I am a great fan of all the support here....but sometimes the proxmox kernels do not work.....

Depending on the motherboard and processor I have had lots of problems getting more than the oldes proxmox kernel working....

So, in that situation it is just as easy to install kernel headers for the latest kernel and go that way.....

If you have just installed updates and that includes the 6.12.12 kernel and ZFS will not load then you have two choices...revert to the proxmox kernel of install headers for the latest kernel and that will work....

bookie56

Hi again!

I do the same...install the Proxmox kernel first usually...but as I couldn't get a newer one to boot after install...I tried just using the plugin...

I found it wouldn't work properly...and is why I use the terminal...to fullt install Zfs first and then the plugin...

bookie56

Hi again!

Ok....I have never been happy with the fact that the development for the Proxmox kernel has come a long way and my machine doesn't seem to like anything over 5.19.17-2-pve and 6.11 is now offered in the latest OMV....

I have even done a complete reinstall of OMV - but the latest version 7.4.17-amd64...

I did the basic install and then added updates etc... I then tried all the Proxmox kernels which start with 6.2 and none of them work with this computer:

X99-M WS/SE Motherboard

E5-2620 Xeon 2.10 ghz processor

I then decided enough of the problems with the Proxmox kernel and decided to go back to the way things were before...and install ZFS via terminal for the existing kernel Linux 6.1.0-29-amd64...

I then installed the ZFS plugin, so it is easier to maintain from the webgui...

I had exported my pool for the server and reimported it via termianl and then added my shared folders and finally smb shares....

I created my normal user and everything is working fine and loads without any long delays....
I am as always truly grateful for the support on this forum and the latest from chente will serve as a guide if I have future problems..

What I did:

This is a UEFI motherboard so I have installed with that in mind...

As I pointed out above after the installation I installed the waiting updates....

I then installed omv-extras:

wget -O - https://github.com/OpenMediaVault-Plugin-Developers/packages/raw/master/install | bash

I always install via a terminal and PuTTY

I then installed ZFS:

apt install linux-headers-amd64 zfsutils-linux zfs-dkms zfs-zed

After the ZFS installation I ran:

modprobe zfs (to load the module)

I then ran the import command for my pool:

zpool import Rocky

After this I installed the ZFS plugin and as I said above added my shared folders and shares for smb.

The final thing to do was create my user....

Yes.....I am a fan of the Proxmox kernel just not a fan of having to run an older version because my hardware won't allow me to install a newer version....

bookie56

Hi chente

That is a lot of useful information....

I am thankful for your time and help...

I will take a look at this and post later...

bookie56

Hi again!

Well I changed the time zone to fixed Europe/Stockholm instead of pool.ntp.org and that removed that from the equation - but that isn't causing the problem...

I ran:

root@rocky:~# sudo systemd-analyze
Startup finished in 18.113s (firmware) + 8.309s (loader) + 3.551s (kernel) + 2min 5.491s (userspace) = 2min 35.465s
graphical.target reached after 2min 5.034s in userspace.
root@rocky:~#

Not sure why...

Is there any info that could be useful?

bookie56

Hi chente

When I looked there for boot I am getting a ton of:

omv-engined[5474]: Unknown or deprecated time zone [tz=]. Please reconfigure your time zone settings.

If I run:

root@rocky:~# more /etc/timezone
Europe/Stockholm

So I don't know why I am getting the above error?

bookie56

Hi Guys

I reinstalled my main server a while back and it is working fine apart from a delay to get to the web GUI...

I have had the server connected to a screen and I can login to my server almost two minutes before the web GUI is available again...

Is there a way to check what might be causing this?

bookie56

Hi Krisbee

Been a but busy....

I moved all the files then changed the layout a little in my server...and now I have 8 disks in Raidz2 with two spares offline in the computer waiting incase...

I ended up with 15.40 TB and now 7.6 TB has been used when I moved the files back to the server...

So, I am a happy bunny

Thanks again for your help!

bookie56

Zitat von crashtest

Standalone PC's with old OS'es are more common that most know or would admit. Machines that are not net connected can not be inventoried. The actual numbers are unknown.

In some scenarios I'm aware of, Win7 is being run in a VM on newer PC hardware, simply because Win7 (or and an earlier OS) works, with no issues, with a specific or custom software package. There are scenarios where "if it works, don't fix it" applies.

I still use vmware for lots of old projects including XP.....

Zitat von mamema

i find it quite baffling that my statement seems baffling. if some people want a solution (fill whatever... play music....) and achieve this with OMV 3. Play every day, working, no further needs are coming up, then they are happy. Thats the point. No need to change anything.

Oh ok I hear you not as baffling as I thought.....lol

bookie56

Zitat von mamema

when you not expose your environment to the internet, whats the cause of updating?

This psychcological interesting urgency to press update buttons immediately is an IT thing for people like us.

I full understand the "why should i upgrade, it's running fine?" approach .

It may seems odd, but there are a few people which have other things in life?

I find this statement quite baffling....as with any software there come improvements and bug fixes that are what is a constant in Linux....there will always be improvements and bug fixes which should not be a problem...yes, there are those that don't like exposing their OMV to the Internet and those that just click on update because they need to have something to do.... and some of us have other things in life.... and things that are running well perhaps should be well left alone....did I mention about having your head in the sand

We are all different - but it still comes down to learning Linux at the very basics and that will help in decission making....hopefully

bookie56

Zitat von KM0201

Lol. Expecting the user base to learn anything is wishful thinking. Yes some will, many will not. You know how many people are still using OMV 4 and 5 because they "just work"? I was helping a guy the other day who was facing issues upgrading 4 to 5. I was thinking.... Well no kidding, both of them have been EOL over 2yrs. A guy last week was running 3.0 and asked me if it was a good idea to upgrade because everything "was working fine".

That type of user will be on any platform, but moreso a project like OMV than TrueNas, etc.

Maybe it is wishful thinking but then they are missing the big picture.... I don't see a problem with upgrading or updating as long as you use your loaf and have a backup.....like I have pointed out earlier...have used clonezilla for years....not the easiest on the block....but by far the best at what it does considering like here it is basically one guy....who by the way is quite brilliant....that maintains clonezilla....

I make mistakes all the time and admit to them openly because I don't find that a problem.....keeping your head in the sand is a different story.....

Linux is pretty fantastic and Linus Torvald is just as passionate about the Linux kernel today as when he started his journey...

If people are as passionate about learning more about ZFS as it would seem to be the case then start a thread about just that and there are some very good sources here that will help you on your way...

Like all things to do with software....research is the most important factor before making decisions that can cause a lot of pain in the future IF the decision isn't based on proper research....

bookie56

Hi guys

Wow comes to mind when I look at the comments here...

Regarding why I started this thread it was genuine concern about a lot of negative videos out there giving OMV bad press without giving all the facts...

Yes I accept that ZFS as a standard file system could interest some...but by the same token anyone using ZFS needs to understand it from the ground up like linux and the terminal...

Yes...I appreciate everything votev and others do to make OMV easy for first time users - BUT that is no excuse for not getting your feet wet by learning linux to have a better understanding of how things work...

We are all entitled to our own opinions about different file systems...but please don't make this thread about that...🫣

bookie56

Zitat von trythat

To me that is why most people use Truescale - ZFS, I watch stacks of NAS video's and ZFS is why they choose Truescale, and so far what I can see of the latest beta, Truescale docker is nowhere near as good as the plugin for OMV, not even sure if you can add your own.

You might be right....I was so confused after so much research into the so called best file system for a server and that so many recommended ECC memory that in the end I built such a file server...but mainly for my customers file safety. I have several other computers with zfs and no ECC memory and they work fine. I like ZFS and what it does...but I actually don't really need it for myself...I have many backups of all my files...

Zitat von ryecoaaron

The scary thing to me is I really wonder how many people using ZFS can recover from a zfs problem? I've not used zfs for over 26 years of linux and can't think of a single thing ZFS would've helped me with. Backups are so much more important.

I also worry about that...but have never experienced that myself...I have no need for a server to go 24/7 so they don't... If I am to be completely honest the one thing I think about from time to time is as vodev states it is basically him and one other that maintain OMV...please don't let anything happen to you guys 😁

I will point out that within the Linux world the help that is at hand is fantastic and that is brilliant...I usually install ZFS from the terminal- but have also used and like the plugin 😁

bookie56

Zitat von chente

Unfortunately, the first priority of any YouTube content creator is to get as many views as possible. A video criticizing a topic attracts more than a video praising the same topic, that's part of human nature, so...

When you look at it from that way....

Zitat von Krisbee

Kind of, but then many NAS related vids are pretty low grade and full of self-opinionated confirmation bias, often technically inaccurate or plain wrong. Comparing TrueNAS to OMV is like comparing apples to oranges. Their technical focus, design philosophy and project resources are entirely different. So, I don't take heed of these superficial outpourings.

As to the apparent popularity of TrueNAS, those who wanted a FreeBSD based product were always wary that it would be eclipsed by the development of the Linux based TrueNAS SCALE which started in 2020. Those who wanted the Linux based product have been dissatisfied by ixSystems getting bogged down with kubernetes and the dependence on increasingly sour relationship with 3rd party TrueCharts, breaking changes, high level of bugs, etc. This seems to have come to a head in 2023 when SCALE had been though many revisions and was additionally left with no working cluster tech, i.e. a product that couldn't do the very thing it was named after.

The major March 2024 announcement from ixSystems re: TrueNAS Core & TrueNAS SCALE looks like an effort to steady the ship. But there were groans from the BSD crowd and concerns from paying customers when they learned further development of TrueNAS CORE was shelved (no version beyond current 13.3). The Linux crowd were happy kubernetes had at long last been dropped for native docker in the upcoming SCALE 24.10 and beyond. But SCALE really remains in a state of flux as next spring is meant to bring more so-called innovation in SCALE 25.

Unfortunately, if the trend continues, each new version will come with it's own raft of bugs that will take several iterations to iron out. ixSystems will continue to do their own thing in the Linux world and persist with their appliance model where there is no "apt update && apt upgrade", which is a poor match for a relatively fast moving Linux base.

I suspect few, if any, vids about TrueNAS will appraise you of its recent history and failings. They are just mostly focused the on latest shiny version, click-bait for ratings and money(?).

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I totally agree with you.....

Just would like to see more so called reviews where they are positive....

bookie56

Zitat von mamema

...and even though ryecoaaron mentioned "targeted at home users" i've deliberately deselected TrueNAS in favor of OMV years ago, because of my not so home user specific needs weren't met by TrueNAS back then.

Yes, I tried FreeNAS didn't like it all...tried Naslite-M2 it was ok in the beginning - but it was not that good...OMV has got better and better and as a small company I do not need anything that could be better....I am not sure from what I have seen that TrueNAS fits that bill....

There is a good community of people here and always willing to help those in need..

OMV is based on Debian and Debian has been a favourite of mine for many years.....

bookie56