I went from Intel J4105 series into normal motherboard. The J4105 series are very power efficient but I had problems with it, can't remember what. Now I'm on Intel 10th gen CPU, ITX motherboard with B460M and believe me or not, the power consumption in idle is the same. The only diff is max power. J4105 maxed at around 25W if I remember correctly. Current system MAX is around 65W. Yep quite big difference but also quite big performance difference.
As a side bonus I got:
- max 64GB of memory support
- 4 sata ports (3 if I use M.2 ultra socket)
- 2 M.2 slots (one is vertical and there's WiFi card)
- PCI Express 3.0 x16 with SSD Boot support
The J4105 had:
1x PCIe 2.0, 2 x sata, 1 x M2, max 16GB of mem support official but I had there 16GB in one slot and it was fine, the same were reported by other peoples in the comments.
The key here is the power supply. You don't need anything big, actually the bigger the power supply, the higher the energy bills because of efficiency.
So for this setup a 300W PSU with Gold 80 certificate would be way than enough. Sadly I already had 400W 80 bronze which I'm using. But I did a test and could get even 1W lower with mentioned smaller PSU. Which is huge difference cause the system without HDD was "idling" at 10W so 9W is possible as you can see. J4105 was the same!
And by idling I mean running 3 virtual machines 
One information for picking up motherboards, stay away from MSI! Their products has track of power efficiency issues, you most likely won't be able to achieve such low results with these motherboard. Also stay away from the lowest tier motherboard chipsets as also from the higher end ones. The low ones doesn't provide enough tweaking capabilities so it's possible you won't be able to get low C-states which are crucial to get low power while the high end top ones are meant for performance so you probably understand. And also ATX mainboards draw usually more power than ITX and mATX ones.
Also check out the status with AMD, year ago it was kind of impossible to get so low with their CPUs under Linux, but I remember some information that new kernel should improve this, you have to search the network if that's fixed. This is why I had to pick up Intel 
Otherwise would go with AMD for ECC but it's tricky to pick up proper hardware for that.
Maybe you might be interested in this.
I think I will choose maybe an Intel I3 9th... to be confirmed.
I started with an i3 8th gen 8100 on my build, but went to an i5-8400T (the 35 watt version) for 2 more cores. It definitely performs a little more smoothly for my use cases - Nextcloud, Immich, Jellyfin, KVM, and a few other Docker containers on top of general storage. The difference in cost between the 65 watt i3 and the 35w i5-8400T was about 12 dollars iirc. (faster versions and non-T variants were a fair bit more $$) It might be worth checking out the cost differences for more cores.
I think I will choose maybe an Intel I3 9th... to be confirmed.
Get i3-10th gen
Probably a 300W, juste need to find the exact model.
Be!Quiet TFX 300W 80 Gold this is what I tested. Small and actually quiet despite how small fan is there.
Hi Razan
With the advices from chente this is my config :
- RAM : Crucial RAM CT32G4SFD832A 32Go DDR4 3200MHz CL22
- PCIe to SATA adapter :Carte M.2 NVME SATA 3.0 6 ports
- Asus PRIME N100I-D D4 (ITX)
- Power supply : be quiet! System Power 10 450W (for me after many advices, it seems it's less noise than sfx 300w and price better)
- mini itx box : Fractal Design NODE 304 (permit to mange atx power supply + mini itx cards : so agree with you 
take care now it's more and more difficult to find this box. Maybe not produce ..?
As the gpu managed by N100, no need a specific gpu if you use it only for NAS usage
Just get this and an nvidia of your choice, you'll be golden.
Other point, if I take a motherboard with only 2 SATA 3.0 ports, how can I plug my other HDD ?
You haven't read the link I gave you.
I started with an i3 8th gen 8100 on my build, but went to an i5-8400T (the 35 watt version) for 2 more cores. It definitely performs a little more smoothly for my use cases - Nextcloud, Immich, Jellyfin, KVM, and a few other Docker containers on top of general storage. The difference in cost between the 65 watt i3 and the 35w i5-8400T was about 12 dollars iirc. (faster versions and non-T variants were a fair bit more $$) It might be worth checking out the cost differences for more cores.
Thermal Design Power (TDP) is the average power consumption (in watts) that the processor derives when operating at base frequency when all cores are active on an Intel-defined, highly complex workload. So if you limit the base frequency of the normal CPU to the value of the T-CPU with the Linux tool cpufreq at startup, the TDP is the same as the TDP of the T-CPU (35W). Intel's T-CPU is a regular CPU with a lower base frequency. I don't think it's made separately. On the contrary, CPUs that do not manage the maximum frequency of the series can still be sold for more money. In pure NAS mode and if you use a few light containers like a media server, the consumption of T-CPU and normal CPU should be the same even without cpufreq. It's different if you use virtual machines for Windows and the like.
The T version of a CPU costs more used on Ebay than the normal version of this CPU. I wouldn't buy a new processor under the 10th generation today! The price ratio to the performance is no longer right. The supply of T-CPUs by ebay is lower than that of the normal version (supply and demand).
The T version of a CPU costs more used on Ebay than the normal version of this CPU. I wouldn't buy a new processor under the 10th generation today! The price ratio to the performance is no longer right. The supply of T-CPUs by ebay is lower than that of the normal version (supply and demand).
I happened to pull the i5 out of a thin client, I had that, intending to sell it. it being a T variant was sort of irrelevant. Looking at the pricing differences, I decided to sell the i3 instead. I guess my very unclear point was to look at all the options, especially if looking at an older i3, as the OP had listed. Which of course will be confusing as heck. More cores might be had for minimal increase in cost.
Hello,
Thank you for all your clear answers
It will help me to choose my setup.
For the purpose of my build, I think that one of these motherboard with an integrated processor should be sufficient:
- https://www.amazon.com.be/RTL8…Celectronics%2C58&sr=1-10
- https://www.amazon.com.be/King…ctronics%2C58&sr=1-7&th=1
- https://www.amazon.com.be/SATA…2Celectronics%2C58&sr=1-4
For the case, I will see those available.
Finally, for the PSU, I will choose between:
- Be!Quiet TFX 300W 80 Gold
- Be!Quiet System Power 10 450W
RAZAN
For the purpose of my build, I think that one of these motherboard with an integrated processor should be sufficient:
- https://www.amazon.com.be/RTL8…Celectronics%2C58&sr=1-10
This is very similar, but with a more current CPU. The difference is that you will have to mount the heatsink yourself. https://androidpc.es/placa-base-pasiva-intel-n100-i3-n305/
Hi folks,
as I am about to rethink my setup here as well I kind of hijack this fred because it's about more or less the same usecase, running a handful of media dockers and use the machine as data storage (archival).
I currently stick with a helios64 that runs quite smoothly. As this thing is not maintained anymore and I would have to buy bigger harddrives, I was thinking of changing the setup completely. The initial idea to get a HPE Microserver was a bit boring on the long end so I would rather get the pieces myself and mount it in a decent case. I love the kobol case but it would need too many mods that I am not willing to do at this very moment.
Because of the nice read in chente 's comparison why he got a new 100N mobo - well here was my thinking to build something similar.
Two things:
- I intend to have 3x data disks and 1 SSD (currently I am with 4 4TB disks, Snapraid / MergerFS + 1 SSD for the music collection) -> 4 bays
- In terms of power: Is there an advantage to have a ATX PSU vs. the brick one that resides outside the case?
Of course I would love to have a power efficient NAS but I don't want to run into scenarios where power peaks get the thing down. The new NAS should run with 3 spinning and 1 SSD - maybe a Cache M2 SSD... that depends not on the mobo I am about to get.
Any thoughts on this?
resides outside the case?
With 12v only systems 5v is usually sourced from a header on the board or buck converter Vs. supplied via a ATX supply cable, of course this is more of a DIY setup common with Arduino style projects.
NAS should run with 3 spinning and 1 SSD
For you, I suggest you get the smallest 250 watt PSU that has the typical ATX power cables. *IF* you're really only going to run 3hdd + 2ssd then you could drop to 150 watt (with a N100 board at least).
For you, I suggest you get the smallest 250 watt PSU that has the typical ATX power cables. *IF* you're really only going to run 3hdd + 2ssd then you could drop to 150 watt (with a N100 board at least).
Yes, the 3 hdds and 2ssds would be the max. I am coming from 4 x 4TB with one parity so I can easily achieve decent storage space with 3 x 12TB or even 16TB hdds.
Power unit wise I am fine either way. Just wanted to know if there is a particular advantage in using the ATXs or not. If I will go a little bit more future-proof then the ATX variant seems to be better - what leaves me with the ASUS board at this very moment
This is very similar, but with a more current CPU. The difference is that you will have to mount the heatsink yourself. https://androidpc.es/placa-base-pasiva-intel-n100-i3-n305/
This one seems indeed promising but it is from an unknown manufacturer and the only commentary says it's a weird bios and difficult to get drivers.
As I might keep the Helios64 as Backup Server I was wondering if anybody could give me a tipp with a motherboard that has 2.5GBs LAN. The N100 ones are ruled out here because I the only possibility to get more SATA ports is done via PCIe (correct me if I am wrong).
As I might keep the Helios64 as Backup Server I was wondering if anybody could give me a tipp with a motherboard that has 2.5GBs LAN. The N100 ones are ruled out here because I the only possibility to get more SATA ports is done via PCIe (correct me if I am wrong).
On the Asus board with an N100 you can install an adapter to 6 SATA ports in the minipcie port like this: https://es.aliexpress.com/i/1005005068881876.html
and a network adapter on the pcie port like this: https://www.amazon.es/Adaptado…Controlador/dp/B0BNHWZBCC
or dual like this: https://www.amazon.es/Adaptado…controlador/dp/B0CBX9MNXX
The N100 ones are ruled out here because I the only possibility to get more SATA ports is done via PCIe
Incorrect, you're not following the links posted as help in this thread (chente already posted a link to this). N100 with 6 SATA and 4 2.5gbe: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806188317145.html
The ASUS board is underwhelming for what it is, I wouldn't bother with it. Outside of this 1 NAS style board, mini-ITX is a huge footprint for a N100. Here's one that would require a M.2 to PCIe adapter, but it has a much smaller footprint: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804864546927.html
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